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Benjamin Eskilstark's avatar

Haven't seen this movie yet, but based on your review and others I've read, I feel like it teed itself up to have a more humanistic and less internet-culture-war-politics approach to the Civil War 2 scenario -- which is valid -- but then maybe got distracted by action scenes and following protagonists who happen to be there for all the most important events.

I'm reminded of a portion of a WWII documentary I watched on Youtube (World War Two in Real Time -- it's great) about D-Day and how when they were storming the beaches, not every beach was like Saving Private Ryan. They talked about how village commuters were waiting for their bus or having a morning coffee on the boardwalk when all of a sudden Allied troops stormed through. I had never really thought about what it would be like for the average person in occupied France in 1944, but I guess they'd still be drinking coffee and commuting to work, and occasionally encountering soldiers of various stripes who may disrupt/destroy everything or may just be moving through to the next objective.

Also reminded of the scene in the movie Beirut when the taxi driver is explaining to Jon Hamm how they shouldn't take X highway because a car bomb had gone off there that morning. And how the Muslims were blaming the Christians and the Christians were blaming the Israelis and the Israelis were blaming the Muslims. He asks the cab driver what he thinks and he responds "I think we shouldn't take X highway".

So perhaps the average person wouldn't really have a good idea of what's going on or what the backstories are of each of the factions and why they are fighting. But then by following journalists instead of "civilians" the protagonists will naturally follow the action and be more clued in to what's going on than the average person actually would. So then the fact that we the audience /still/ don't know what the civil war is actually about is maybe an indictment of journalism rather than a lionization of it? That decontextualized violence gets views and explaining why they're doing it might offend people so it's better to just maintain the view from nowhere.

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Secret Squirrel's avatar

....hmm I liked the under-explaining. I thought the politics of the movie was that liberals are coming for Trump and as far as you could tell they have no choice but what have we become, a civl war degrades both sides etc.? It seems less preachy because it stays vague.

The images had power and (cinematic) plausibility because we've seen them in reporting on the rest of the world so what if the circumstances that make war-reporting possible in Serbia or Libya happened here? They take that premise and work backwards, not filling in too many blanks. Mixing the "war zone" cinema style with the "protect the president with badass technology like The Beast" cinema style, where the symbols of presidential power become like the Fürherbunker, was particularly effective.

Where the not making sense was a problem for me: what do the journalists think they are up to? Who do they work for, who reads their stories and looks at their photos? In American journalism movies the American People need to know whatever the journalist is reporting so they can Act. Also the grizzled war correspondent who vaguely evokes Hilary Clinton teaching the inexperienced Gen Z mentee seemed odd, if Cailee Spaeny grew up during the Civil War you'd assume she's seen a lot.

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