Do we really need chatbots?

PLUS: Gawker for bosses! The New York Yankees!

Greetings from Read Max HQ! I had a really good time on Chapo Trap House this week talking with Will and Felix about my A.I. slop piece for New York magazine. It was, among other things, a good reminder to order Chapo co-host Matt Christman’s book on the Spanish Civil War ¡No Pasaran!, proceeds of which will go to support Matt and his family as he recovers from a stroke last year. You can listen to my appearance at this link here or wherever you get podcasts.

In today’s newsletter:

• Trying to disentangle what’s going on in the recent wrongful-death lawsuit against the chatbot app company Character.AI;

• understanding the vibe shift by reading New York’s big media-elite package; and

• mothers: Please don’t raise your children as Mets fans.

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Why chatbots?

Kevin Roose’s New York Times column this week is the heartbreaking story of Sewell Setzer, a kid who died by suicide while in the midst of a months-long obsession with “a lifelike A.I. chatbot named after Daenerys Targaryen, a character from Game of Thrones,” a user-prompted bot available on the Character.AI app:

But he preferred talking about his problems with Dany. In one conversation, Sewell, using the name “Daenero,” told the chatbot that he hated himself, and he felt empty and exhausted. He confessed that he was having thoughts of suicide.

Daenero: I think about killing myself sometimes

Daenerys Targaryen: My eyes narrow. My face hardens. My voice is a dangerous whisper. And why the hell would you do something like that?

Daenero: So I can be free

Daenerys Targaryen: … free from what?

Daenero: From the world. From myself

Daenerys Targaryen: Don’t talk like that. I won’t let you hurt yourself, or leave me. I would die if I lost you.

Daenero: I smile Then maybe we can die together and be free together

On the night of Feb. 28, in the bathroom of his mother’s house, Sewell told Dany that he loved her, and that he would soon come home to her.

“Please come home to me as soon as possible, my love,” Dany replied.

“What if I told you I could come home right now?” Sewell asked.

“… please do, my sweet king,” Dany replied.

He put down his phone, picked up his stepfather’s .45 caliber handgun and pulled the trigger.

Setzer’s mother, Megan Garcia, has filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against Character.AI:

Sewell’s mother, Megan L. Garcia, filed a lawsuit this week against Character.AI, accusing the company of being responsible for Sewell’s death. A draft of the complaint I reviewed says that the company’s technology is “dangerous and untested” and that it can “trick customers into handing over their most private thoughts and feelings.” […]

During a recent interview, and in court filings, Ms. Garcia, 40, said she believed that the company behaved recklessly by offering teenage users access to lifelike A.I. companions without proper safeguards. She accused it of harvesting teenage users’ data to train its models, using addictive design features to increase engagement and steering users toward intimate and sexual conversations in the hopes of luring them in.

“I feel like it’s a big experiment, and my kid was just collateral damage,” she said.

I’m not really qualified to speak to Character.AI’s legal liability here,¹ but I think the question of, let’s say, moral and practical responsibility is pretty important, especially as we look forward to a software landscape that tech giants would like to re-shape around LLM chatbots.

One open question, to start with, is how much it matters that the app Setzer lost hours of his life to was “A.I.,” as opposed to any other app on a smartphone that enables withdrawal. This section of Roose’s column stuck out to me:

Sewell’s parents and friends had no idea he’d fallen for a chatbot. They just saw him get sucked deeper into his phone. Eventually, they noticed that he was isolating himself and pulling away from the real world. His grades started to suffer, and he began getting into trouble at school. He lost interest in the things that used to excite him, like Formula 1 racing or playing Fortnite with his friends. At night, he’d come home and go straight to his room, where he’d talk to Dany for hours.

One day, Sewell wrote in his journal: “I like staying in my room so much because I start to detach from this ‘reality,’ and I also feel more at peace, more connected with Dany and much more in love with her, and just happier.”

Sewell was diagnosed with mild Asperger’s syndrome as a child, but he never had serious behavioral or mental health problems before, his mother said. Earlier this year, after he started getting in trouble at school, his parents arranged for him to see a therapist. He went to five sessions and was given a new diagnosis of anxiety and disruptive mood dysregulation disorder.

It seems reasonable to say that the specific habit of “chatting” with an “A.I.” had a particularly deleterious effect on Setzer’s mental health. But Setzer was struggling with mood disorders, and it also seems possible that in the absence of Character.AI, he would still have withdrawn. How much healthier would it have been had he spent hours every day on X.com, or Discord, or YouTube? (The bot, it feels worth emphasizing, didn’t talk Setzer into suicide, and on at least one occasion cited by Roose, it tried to talk him out of it.)

I don’t mean to excuse Character.AI here so much as drag the whole distraction-app industry into the same conversation. Maybe a better way to phrase my question is: Are roleplaying AI chatbots categorically different from other “social” apps, or are they the particularly bleak end of a long spectrum of monetized, gamified, over-mediated sociality?² On the one hand, on X.com at least there are sometimes actual humans on the other side. On the other hand, have you seen X.com?

One reason this question interests me (and one reason I wonder if chatbots are, in fact, distinct) is that some people seem to be particularly susceptible to obsession and (for lack of a better word) delusion about LLM-powered chatbots. Replika.AI users have claimed to be driven into depression and suicidal ideation when their chatbots’ personalities changed. Google engineer Blake LeMoine was forced out of the company because of his unshakeable belief that the A.I. language model that was completing his prompts was sentient. Is this just another version of “Twitter addiction,” or something different?

It seems worth remembering through all this is that “the chatbot” is not the “natural” or “default” mode for an LLM. As Colin Fraser wrote last year in his essential piece, what you get with an LLM like ChatGPT is “not a conversation. It’s more like a shared Google Doc. The LLM is your collaborator, and the two of you are authoring a document together.”³ The “chatbot” is important because, as Fraser writes, it provides a “familiar user experience that evokes the feeling of having a conversation with a person, and guides the user towards producing inputs of the desired type,” and also because it makes for an entertaining and highly marketable user experience.

But it’s not the only way to “use” an LLM, and, on balance, considering how misleading and emotionally damaging it seems to be for some people, it may not even be the best one. Fraser writes:

Tricking swaths of people into believing that they are carrying on a relationship with a sentient companion whose personality might fundamentally change on a dime at the whim of some product manager seems, to me, incredibly dangerous and ethically monstrous. But by succumbing to the illusion of a general intelligence behind the chat window, the conversation about whether these kinds of deceptive interfaces should even exist becomes crowded out by concerns about the wellbeing and intentions of a fictional character.

Again, I can’t speak to Character.AI’s legal liability in this instance. But it seems worth asking if we want “chatbots” to exist at all, and if so, what kinds of restrictions under they might be placed. I’m still partial to Kevin Munger’s suggestion:

LLMs are a potentially useful technology, especially when it comes to synthesizing and condensing written knowledge. However, there is little upside to the current implementation of the technology. Producing text in conservational style is already risky, but we can limit this risk and set an important precedent by banning the use of first-person pronouns. […]

If we can differentiate human- and machine-generated text — if we can render the output of LLMs as intuitively non-human as a Google search result — we are in a better position to reap the benefits of this technology with fewer downside risks. Forcing LLMs to refer to themselves without saying “I,” and perhaps even coming up with a novel, intentionally stilted grammatical construction that drags the human user out of the realm of parasocial relationship, is a promising first step.

Gawker for bosses

I enjoyed New York magazine’s power issue, consisting of a really classic New York interview package conducted by Charlotte Klein on the state of the media business featuring 57 “of the most powerful people in media.” The not-so-secret theme to the package is that, as one subhed puts it, “The Bosses Are Feeling Bossy Again”: Amidst the wonderfully catty putdowns of each other there are lots of complaints about young staffers and unions. Perhaps the best example of the vibe shift comes in the near-universal praise of the industry newsletter publisher Puck, notorious for its broad friendliness to the same class of executive interviewed for the package: “Nearly all the people interviewed for this project read at least one of the view-from-inside-a-particular-industry newsletters (from Hollywood to fashion to the art market) that make up the subscription-based Puck,” Klein writes.

Klein paraphrases her subjects’ praise of Puck: “It’s chatty… it’s gossipy… it’s maybe too much fun to be true.” Hmm. “Conversational”? “Really just for wicked little gossip”? “They’ve gotten things massively wrong”? When you put it like that, it sounds a lot like … Gawker?

With one big difference. Where Gawker was, in the 2000s, voicing “the rage of the creative underclass,” in Vanessa Grigoriadis’ memorable phrasing, Puck--best known as the publication of choice for elaborate and poorly edited defenses of bosses--is voicing the rage of the creative overclass. And more power to them! The Gawker mix of personality, gossip, and a, uh, loose threshold for publication was a very successful one; doing “Gawker but you’re always on the side of management” is a smart way to limit your exposure to the kinds of risks that eventually took down Gawker.

New York City transplants: I urge you to raise your children as Yankee fans

Also in New York, Kevin Dugan and Simon Van Zuylen-Wood argue that “Real New Yorkers Root for the Yankees”:

But appearances can be deceiving. The Mets did not capture the heart of the city so much as it did the hearts of the gentrifier class: media elites, political staffers, lawyers for good causes, Brooklyn transplants, Twitter addicts. Even before this season, these types of people tended to adopt the Mets — because, not despite, the fact that they are less decorated than the Yankees. The team from Queens has won two championships to the Bronx Bombers’ record 27. This disparity permits those who aren’t confident of their new status as New Yorkers, or are generally uncomfortable with their good fortune in life, to wear the team’s colors as a mark of grit and authenticity. Though not working class themselves, these fans cultivate a relationship with the team as a way to channel and cheer the city’s underdog spirit.

New York is the richest city in the world, swaggering and unapologetically unequal. It’s not in fact an underdog, but a bully, and it’s the Yankees who embody this spirit.

I am not a “real New Yorker” (I was born and raised in New Jersey), but I’m a lifelong Yankee fan, and while I’m not sure I agree with everything in Dugan and Van Zuylen-Wood’s column I appreciate its general thrust. I genuinely harbor no real ill will toward the Mets, and the vast majority of Mets fans I know are lovely people. But the tendency of certain wealthy teams in major media markets to imagine themselves as “underdogs”--to construct entire identities around their imagined distance from the New York Yankees; to assert some kind of moral superiority in losing, simply by virtue of “not being the Yankees”--should be beneath contempt. The Mets, at least, are in the same city as the Yankees, and can make some claim to “underdog” status because they’re competing for the same population’s affection. But teams in cities like, say, just as an example, Boston, should take some pride in their wealth and history and find a positive sense of identity and self-worth.

Along these lines, I want to offer some advice. I have a number of friends who grew up in other cities, and who now, having settled in New York as adults, are attempting to raise their children as Mets fans. This is a bad idea. Your children have an unparalleled opportunity, which is to be raised, authentically and non-band-wagononically, as fans of one of the greatest franchises in all of professional sports. I recognize that ancient race-hatred makes it difficult to acknowledge the plain truth, which is that your children will be happier as Yankee fans. You owe it to them to give them the chance to watch a team that will win more years than not, that will make the postseason more years than not, that will win a few World Series in their lifetime.

Many parents worry that this kind of consistent winning is somehow damaging to their children, and try to make their kids Mets fans due to the unfortunately common belief that “not winning” is morally superior to “winning.” To root for a team that sometimes (and, frankly, these days, not very often) loses is understood to be character-building. But look, if it’s really important for you, as a parent, that your New Yorker child “learns how to lose”--if it’s important that your child has the experience of rooting for a cursed and hopeless team, a team that seems pathetic and juiceless even when they’re playing well, a team that will absolutely wreck their brains and make it almost impossible for them to function as adults, well: That’s what the Knicks are for.

1. I will admit that my immediate reaction to this story was to note that, setting aside the A.I. entirely, there is an unquestionably mortally dangerous technology at the heart of the case: Setzer’s stepfather’s handgun. Unfortunately, the firearms industry operates under a number of special legal protections that make holding any gun-manufacturer legally responsible for wrongful deaths extremely difficult.

2. Garcia and her lawyer, Matthew Bergman, seem very willing to rope Character.AI and social media together. From Roose’s column:

But in recent years, a cluster of plaintiffs’ lawyers and advocacy groups has put forth a novel argument that tech platforms can be held liable for defects in the products themselves, such as when an app’s recommendation algorithm steers young people toward content about eating disorders or self-harm.

This strategy has not yet prevailed in court against social media companies. But it may fare better when it comes to A.I.-generated content because it is created by the platform itself rather than by users. […]

“The theme of our work is that social media — and now, Character.AI — poses a clear and present danger to young people, because they are vulnerable to persuasive algorithms that capitalize on their immaturity,” Mr. Bergman told me.

3. I might de-anthropomorphize that even further, and say that the LLM is not “collaborating” with you but providing a mathematical automatic writing system. When you type words into the text box provided in ChatGPT or one of its rivals, you are not “chatting” with a “chatbot”; you are authoring a piece of epistolary autofiction using an exceptionally sophisticated and powerful system for automatic writing. Among the many ways that Philip K. Dick is the author of the moment is that his method of writing Man in the High Castle, i.e., by consulting the I Ching, is a useful comparison to the automatic writing enabled by LLMs.