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Evan Agovino's avatar

One component of the Zynternet I feel compelled to mention is the evolution of the Rogan-sphere to an assortment of comedy, sports, and 'lifestyle' podcasts on YouTube that have taken off since the pandemic. These podcasts are usually one degree of separation from Dana White. While the politics in these circles has always been implicit, actual politicians have started coming on these podcasts. Trump went on Full Send last year and got 8M views on YouTube, while he went on Logan Paul's podcast two weeks ago with 5M views so far. RFK has also done the rounds here - going on Theo Von's podcast (1.1M views), Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast (555K views), Lex Fridman's podcast (3.5M views) and Andrew Schulz's podcast (1.5M views) in the past year. Full Send interviewed the mayor of Miami last year (1.1M views). I don't think there's a 'left-wing' equivalent of this universe.

Maybe none of this matters and this is an audience that would have voted this way anyway, but it's at least interesting to me to have politicians being able to speak to millions of young people directly, for an hour or more, completely unfettered. I don't think the effect is negligible!

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i randomly listened to a 2018 episode of time crisis yesterday, wherein ezra koenig and jake longstreth discuss how "fratty" had contemporaneously replaced "dorky" as the thing everyone can and does deride. specifically, the "played out" impulse to rely on quotes from stuff like the big lebowski; when jake was in high school he quoted ghostbusters and was a dork, and at the time of recording he quoted the big lebowski and was a new kind of dork. i love time crisis because i have a crush on ezra koenig (sorry) but also because i love witnessing men learning truths in real time and being genuinely excited by them. this discussion about frattiness leads ezra to say: "i think something happens when something becomes like a really like iconic cult--it's like happening with rick and morty now--where people like are really into it and ride for it and then it becomes a stereotype, 'oh the type of person who's obsessed with that is so annoying,' and then suddenly it casts this weird shadow on the thing itself...which it shouldn't."

he's on the right track: quoting anything , or, as he goes on to say, smoking weed, are not substitutes for actually engaging with culture or having a sense of self, but being overly critical of people who are a little too into to the office, say, is also a little mean spirited. he never really lands, but the conclusion, which i agree with, seems to be that "letting people enjoy things" is a difficult but important line to walk, because our culture is far too alienated and mean to take everything out on people who derive so much unabated joy from dumb stuff, but sometimes the stuff is so dumb it is harmful (e.g. marvel).

from 2016-2019 this cycle was constant: fratty/dork mainstream culture takeover > "cool people" bully tinder profiles with the office quotes > frat guys double down > cool people (rightfully) re-negotiate how to more meaningfully walk the line. all of this is related, somehow, to the way people reacted to trump being funny between 2015-2019 ("is it ok that he is so funny??"). what i find curious about the rebirth of this kind of posting in 2024 (huak tuah, portnoy), is that it has pivoted from profoundly sexless (the office) to almost always explicitly fetishistic (viral video about oral sex, portnoy's whole thing is being hot, kind of, "call her daddy"). i also think its interesting that the exact same kind of lack-of-sense-of-self aesthetic is uncannily paralleled in leftist/"brat summer" spheres in, like, jack schlossberg.

maybe since everyone started shamelessly admitting that trump is the funniest guy of all time, internet subcultures have lost their edge and the dorkish venn diagram has started closing in on itself, and every kind of person has just resorted to manically saying "i'm horny" via regurgitating viral one-liners. in any case, thank you so much to putting a name to the call-her-daddy-ification of memes, a specifically post-tiktok and post-covid aesthetic mode that is so hard to describe, especially in conversation with its more simple post-2016 counterpart.

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